Richard Innes @Innes434

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a week ago

I still think the correlation between the NPE's Overall Scores to each state's performances in the 2024 NAEP reading and math assessments is of concern. The table below shows some of what I found. Essentially, there is no correlation between what the NPE focuses on and what actually works for kids' academic performance (find correlations at the bottom of each NAEP column). I also looked at some examples for student subgroups like white, Black, learning disabled and economically disadvantaged. Correlations were all low.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

2 weeks ago

@tultican @JanResseger You are entitled to your opinion.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

2 weeks ago

@tultican But does it matter?

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Richard Innes @Innes434

2 weeks ago

The school-choice-hostile Network for Public Education (NPE) just posted its 2026 grades for each state's supposed commitment to public education. I correlated the NPE's Overall Scores to each state's performances in the 2024 NAEP reading and math assessments. The table below shows what I found. Essentially, there is no correlation between what the NPE focuses on and what actually works for kids (find correlations at the bottom of each NAEP column).

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Richard Innes @Innes434

2 weeks ago

This needs restating.

Richard Innes @Innes434

2 months ago

@plthomasEdD Expecting impacts of Mississippi’s reform to already show in ACT scores is inappropriate. There hasn’t been enough time for a K to 3 set of reforms to work up into high school. Mississippi didn’t start getting national notice for NAEP Grade 4 Reading improvement until 2019, and

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@KYCooperrider Is anyone investigating the audit firm who reviewed the district's financials in every one of those years? Are these school audits in general trustworthy across the state? The KBE/KDE and the legislature have a responsibility here. A fiscal safety feature clearly failed.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@CreditFlex Good point.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

A new Education Scorecard ranks states and some school districts for academic progress from 2022 to 2025 educationscorecard.org/?utm_medium=em…. It's an interesting report and adds to the discussion, but I have questions. The Scorecard adjusts test results from different state assessments -- which are not directly comparable -- onto a common scale using results from the 2019 NAEP. I am wondering why a more current NAEP, either 2022 or 2024, wasn't used and if there are potential problems with this approach. The rankings are for overall state scores only. I suspect that things could look very different if the results were broken out and compared in a more apples to apples manner, such as looking at white student and Black student scores separately. Page 32 in the NAEP 2009 Science Report Card talks about why such breakouts are important. A similar logic should apply here. There can be a notable difference between making progress and current standing. Consider information in Figure 11 in the national Education Scorecard educationscorecard.org/wp-content/upl…. It shows Tennessee ranked 4th best for reading growth, well ahead of Massachusetts. But check below to see how Tennessee ranked for NAEP Grade 8 Reading in 2024 (most recent available) compared to Massachusetts. Tennessee ranks statistically significantly behind Massachusetts for white student scores. Why didn't the scorecard include current standings along with the improvement information?

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 That earns you a block. You clearly have no clue about conducting respectful discourse.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

I am still seeing some making claims about MS' reading reform not showing any improvement on the ACT. Well, it's simply too soon to see that. The post below has more details.

Richard Innes @Innes434

2 months ago

I am surprised. Too many educators seem to expect Mississippi’s (MS) reading reforms to somehow already be impacting the state's Grade 11 ACT scores. They just don't recognize that a reform aimed at lower grades K to 3 needs extra time to show improvement in higher grades. There

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 I doubt you've read much of my research. Unfortunately, closed-minded attitudes in public education make it really hard get improvements that work for students. Still, those improvements are badly needed.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 I've been researching Kentucky's public school education reform effort for more than 3 decades. I've learned a lot. What is your experience with education?

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 Your personal experiences are limited. This is a big country; a lot is happening you cannot personally experience, but it is happening. I'll let others reading this discussion decide who knows what they are talking about.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 Mike, "No one ever notices"? Here's just one article with the truth: usatoday.com/story/news/edu…. Truth involves determining all the facts, not guessing. Schools notice, and they prosecute, too.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 What's true here is parents can get prosecuted for illegally entering their child in a public school other than their zip code. It's called residency fraud. And, in general neighborhoods with good schools are more expensive to live in.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@MikeJoh14725926 In general, only parents with money have those public school choices.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

Mike, that's really funny. Where NAEP has issues, I point them out. When I did it in 1999, it upset NAGB so much that they were still writing about it years later (Start at Pg. 7 in this: tinyurl.com/yjd3fue3). NAEP, properly analyzed, is helping by showing that more needs to happen and education is problematic in the US. It is also pointing to states which are starting to make better things happen for students. As far as vouchers go, there definitely is accountability, but it works differently. Parents can pull their child out of a private school that fails them. Parents generally can't do that with a public school, so public schools need different accountability systems.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

I think you completely misunderstood me. NAEP shows many students are not getting the education they need for life: storage.ghost.io/c/53/d3/53d3d9…. It's a useful test. Most state tests, by comparison, set too low a standard for proficiency. That makes education in the state look better, but it isn't getting the job done for students. I see plenty in education misuse NAEP to try to claim all is basically well, disregarding things like NAEP's sampling errors in the process. They get the message wrong with poor analyses.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

I continue to see educators misusing the NAEP, often by ignoring the sampling errors in the scores. This thread will help you to avoid being misled.

Richard Innes @Innes434

7 months ago

1/ I become more and more dismayed by the huge number of supposed education experts who regularly use data from the NAEP improperly. In this thread I plan to outline some of the issues so the rest of us will have a better understanding of how people mislead with NAEP.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

First, I have seen plenty of examples of educators jumping on fads that didn't work. Kentucky fell for many of them over the years. Just one example: eddatafrominnes.com/pdfs/KERAUP32.…. Next, if we are talking about reporting if students are getting ready-for-life proficiency, NAEP scoring is probably more valid than the vast majority of state tests. Check out why I say that here: storage.ghost.io/c/53/d3/53d3d9…. Finally, schools can't use NAEP because federal law does not allow NAEP results to be reported for either schools or individual students. Regarding politics, I can't think of any state testing that isn't political. Can you? Public education in general is political as the public pays for it and has expectations about outcomes.

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Richard Innes @Innes434

a month ago

@h2sdrummer It's important for people who understand the data to comment on misuse. The NAEP is very useful, but it has limits and it can be misused when those limits are not honored.