Robert, I think you and much of the Westminster media are looking at this entirely from the wrong end of the telescope.
The real issue is not whether ministers could nominate Andy Burnham whilst remaining in government. Nor is it whether Sir Keir Starmer would face a difficult political choice. The real question is what such a challenge would do to the Labour Party itself.
For many members, this would be an existential moment. Sir Keir Starmer led Labour from opposition to government and delivered a landslide victory after years in the political wilderness. If, after barely two years in office, sections of the Parliamentary Labour Party sought to remove him, they should not assume that members and voters would simply accept it.
The danger is not that Starmer loses authority. The danger is that Labour loses its coalition of support altogether.
I have spoken to many members who make it clear that they did not join or remain in the party to facilitate an internal coup against a leader who won a General Election. Many would leave. Some say permanently. Once that trust is broken, it is exceptionally difficult to rebuild.
Westminster often assumes that leadership contests are simply matters of parliamentary arithmetic. They are not. They are also matters of legitimacy, loyalty and public perception. The electorate tends to take a dim view of politicians who use one leader to secure power and then move against them once they have obtained office.
If those advocating a challenge believe the public will applaud such behaviour, I suspect they may be making a profound miscalculation. The consequence may not be a stronger Labour Party under new leadership. It may be a fractured party, a collapsing membership base and the loss of support from voters who conclude that Labour has once again become more interested in itself than in governing the country.
That is the risk. Not for Starmer, but for Labour itself.
If Keir Starmer chooses to face Burnham in a leadership contest, it will all get very messy for him very fast. Because he will have to decide whether ministers can publicly endorse Burnham, as they will want to do, and keep their jobs. If he tells them the price of keeping
@oakwellgrovest@The_Mannster Aye alright. And since January? And the whole team set up so poorly the CBs are isolated, the full backs so dysfunctional and no midfield protection. And this has been consistent all season no matter who he picks.
We've conceded most in L1 cos we aren't organised
@oakwellgrovest@The_Mannster A defence Conor has built and rebuilt with players who have had plenty of clean sheets playing for other teams. He hasn't worked out how to set a team up
@GabSutton Think Gab its a combination of Conor being given the job too soon, not surrounding himself with more experience and the Barnsley job being tougher than anticipated.
I feel his coaching philosophy has hit L1 reality and he's not been sure how to adjust his methods
@LeonWobYP Think a combination of Conor being given the job too soon, not surrounding himself with more experience and the Barnsley job being tougher than anticipated.
I feel his coaching philosophy has hit L1 reality and he's not been sure how to adjust his methods
@The_Mannster Think a combination of Conor being given the job too soon, not surrounding himself with more experience and the Barnsley job being tougher than anticipated.
I feel his coaching philosophy has hit L1 reality and he's not been sure how to adjust his methods
@The_Mannster I agree he has the club at heart n it's sad it's not worked out. But I struggle to have faith he will improve when seen 6 months of tactics, set up and individual players going backwards.
And no sign of Conor owning his own mistakes
@RedsReport_ Obviously had discussions this week about budgets n not been able to agree on aims for next season.
If not announced today, post match interviews about next season would have meant Conor having to lie or announce it himself
@LeonWobYP Barnsley have been poor for 12 months under Hourihane and are getting worse by the week. He shows no signs of knowing how to set up a team, his in game tactics a d subs are repeatedly poor.
And his selections of square pegs in round holes is the stuff of legend now!
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@dougokane88 I think you sum it up perfectly here Doug: 'there is such a sloppiness about the team and so many regular errors by players who have been relatively solid elsewhere in their careers that you have to question the coaching and the overall approach to defending'.
@dougokane88 And 35 conceded in the last 13 games.
Barnsley are getting worse not better defensively despite changing personnel.
That's on Hourihane completely
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