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@kyoombi it gets to a point where it feels performative just to be part of a weird ass twitter culture war where everyone tries to outdo themselves on being retarded and annoying not a single bit of real enjoyment, only tweeting and ragebaiting to "own" the other side

You know how you look at someone's opinion and you can immediately tell their age because you used to say the exact same bullshit Yeah

I'm gonna say this on the best way i can as someone that studies on the field since years You're 15, still a kid, still someone going through puberty, and that hasn't interacted much with the world and multiple things surrounding it, mainly taking things at face value As "fiction affects reality" is correct, the underlying term that everyone applies when they say that, which is "fiction can't change nor dictate morality" it's also correct, and universally approved, because fiction and morality are completely separated by the society factor Just saw that you want to study psychology, if you want a good head start, ask yourself "Why psychologists always ask a person about their childhood" on the first session they have Don't think you're evil like other people, but you're severely misinformed on some topics that right now, you 100% should not touch

One thing i forgot, you mention how consuming CSAM can "warp" the mind of people, yes, because CSAM uses actual real victims and actual real people Fiction does not, you have a fictive pass that works along with your nucleus accumbens and your numbilic pathway, ANYTHING that you see on fiction, you know it's not real, hence, the only thing that can make you say "ew i dont like this" or "this is interesting" or "arousing" or "fun", it's your own morality taken from reality to a fictional stand point and how much YOU personally relate fiction to reality Your logical side knows that what you're seeing is not real, and no one is getting hurt, which is the principal indicator of morality, morality comes from society and comes from how much "damage" or "harm" you cause to a person, on a world without society, where you can explore anything, you do anything you want and as much as the own limits you put, because morality on that place doesn't exist. At the same time, thanks to the fictive pass, you perfectly know that, doing that unironical thing 1:1 irl, would hurt someone, so that's why you don't do it, because as any normal person, you're a person raised with moral and common human values, it's the same as people going and shooting ballistic dummies with fake brains and organs, it's fun, and you can do it because you know you're not hurting anyone, and the same goes for going ahead and doing taboo roleplays with consenting adults, since no one is getting hurt there, nothing bad happens, and no one should care nor worry about it If someone is capable, "because of fiction" of going and breaking moral law, actually hurting someone, then that person was long gone before fiction, and was previously suffering a disorder (antisocial, psychopathy, psychosis, IED, long etc) that in some way or another, due to no control, was gonna end up causing damage sooner or later, fiction or not in the middle

Two things, one, no, CSAM does not involucrate under any jurisdiction fictional media or cartoons CSAM under any law is photos, videos, live streams, or synthetic hyper-realistic images generated by artificial intelligence or GAN systems, that depicts a child being sexually abused or exploited, it's ALWAYS treated as something that contains at least one victim, which fictional media does not contain, so it doesn't and would never fall into that category unless we talked about an actual, real breathing kid on a fictional setting (again, fiction on this setting is not "imagination", fiction means a fictional setting with hyper-realistic visuals that doesn't allow you to separate it from reality, but it's still fictional people, GAN images are the ones mostly considered here, they're fictional people created with real life people as a base) The other thing, you talk about "darkship" community, but you gotta realize that that is like, a 0.001% of people that consumes any sort of "morally wrong irl" fictional media, it's an extremely small bubble just like the ones calling themselves "anti", "pro", and etc Never seen a single case of that "grooming" stuff happening, i've always seen the contrary with supposed "antis" pretending to be an "ally" so they can go and get advantage of said kids "antis" multiple times, and you say the contrary, which, in case it's true, talks more about a social media allowing both kids and adults to interact with each other with no restriction more than anything else, your complain is not about fiction, but about the social media and with groomers, i've seen the supposed "shed" twts too, and i've seen even worst stuff on those too, seen this grooming happening on furry and MLP communities too, a LOT, which talks about unrestricted social medias, not about fiction There's a whole talk of cornerstones going about it, but on a simple put way, nothing on fiction is wrong as long as it doesn't involucrate real life people that can't consent, any sort of fiction can be used as trauma processing, entertainment, or simple curiosity, no matter what it is, and no, it can't supress real life desire (even if someone with a disorder tries to supress a IRL desire on it, it wont work), nor it can't create real life desire, it's a 0 to the left, if someone uses that to "groom" someone, then they would have used any other thing to groom because their moral compass was already broken and they already had a disorder on the first place, created by something surrounding their society The thing to do then is to centrate on the people grooming and not on if they consume "X" or "Y" fictional media, because people will not take it serious if not

@SienaOlena Evil foid trying to trap sensitive young men once more…. No… i wont allow it!!…

There's not much to understand lol, it could be millions of reasons, and as long as they're kept on a roleplay/fictional world, which any normal person is capable of, it's perfectly ok Why do people get horny by step-sister or sister/brother roleplays? Because it's a prohibited and extremely close dynamic in many cases, the same happens with almost everything that is evil IRL but arousing for some in a fictional world People get extreme adrenaline by doing parkour or extremely dangerous things that could get them on problems or cause them to receive damage, boxing, fighting, etc, doing that sort of evil stuff on a roleplay or fictional scenario also gives that For a reason billions of people plays violent videogames without thinking it deeply, we play them because it's something crazy that we would never do IRL, the same goes for any sort of crazy sexual taboo stuff, the thing is that sexual related stuff is way more private on the life of everyone, and we're way more disensitized to violence than sex But that doesn't mean that they don't move on the exact same way when it comes to our brain and to fiction

Funny enough, this was a common visit of teenagers back on the 90s because of violent videogames lol

Normally, you encourage the person and help them to realize that they're free to consume anything they want and that they're not hurting anyone, depending on the case it can be just sessions or CBT too, there's multiple articles that help treatmyocd.com/what-is-ocd/co…

On psychology i've seen cases of people having to go through therapy because they got an OCD developed by people telling them that "because you consume X evil fictional content, you're a piece of shit" I assure you, you're not, and we always try to help people realize that

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Twitter is hell on earth for people who have extreme ocd or moral ocd because I constantly have to witness callout posts being made about friend group drama or other stupid shit daily where people go “YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR LIKING ___”

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I mean, if you don't want people that likes crazy fictional stuff near you, that's valid, just make that clear and don't search fights with them like i've seen other people do here lol That's perfectly valid, you have your own fictional boundaries, others have theirs, as long as you don't consider someone a criminal or evil for liking that sort of fiction, you're perfectly good

@_Halfonsez_ @aleevizcay @sleepy_gold @r0tt3n___g1rl Then instead of attacking fictional stuff, attack those people, bring awareness of those people without bringing the "fiction" label (because people will think you're doing it for motives unrelated to this, which causes actual damage) and call them out, it's the best thing to do

something funny about these discussions is how some always go to the extreme edge side of something that never existed when it comes to trying to have an argument i would consider it extremely disgusting and weird since it goes beyond my fictional boundaries, can't do much else than that lol, also would get worried if someone i dont know comes to my face and says that because i'd think you dont know about boundaries or privacy, but that's not much about fiction and more about the person per se and yes, morality IS reality exclusive, because your morals can, if you want, be the same on a fictional world than in the real one, the world formed you to be social, and have empathy towards animals and people in general, so if you're watching something on a game or movie that in some way "resembles" that, and you lived on a bubble where that is the first time you watch someone run over a person on a fictional game because you're looking at GTA, it would shock you, then, you'd realize no one actually got hurt, and you'd say "oh damn that's crazy" like what happened with games like doom now, when you realize that, which is what EVERY single person unless they had psychosis does, your morality does not exist anymore, because you realize that the things you're doing do not depend on a society anymore, which is why the only cases of when something "could" be bad, is when it involucrates real life people that cant consent, as i said before You could still keep your real life morals on that fictional world, if you might, but that depends on your own sensitivity level, and commonly, the case is that no one in the world ever does that, because in one way or another everyone has broken that on a fictional movie/game/anime/etc

I think you have a WAY more cynical point of view than you should People don't just don't do it because "it's illegal", they don't do it because they don't want to harm others, which is the point of a moral society Doesn't disregard the fact that there's evil people out there? Of course, but it's not as much as you may think And on top of that, you're then doing nothing about it, you're blaming a supposed "outlet" instead of a root cause If someone "doesn't see abuse as something bad", then the fiction had no say on that, that person with, or without fiction is gonna go ahead and do something bad because that person's brain was already decided into doing something bad, someone doesn't break moral law easily, if someone was decided to do it, i assure you, a game was not the reason for it It's like a case on where a 21 years old killed his parents because of the anime Bleach by thinking he was a shinigami from the anime killing enemies (real case on tokyo), that dude did not break moral law because of fiction, that dude was gonna do it in any moment even without fiction because he, on the psychological tests, proved to have had a severe psychotic attack and suffered from psychosis since more than 6 years Instead, do what psychologists do, attack root causes and put the blame on the correspondant people that forced someone to be raised without values and with trauma, parents that are irresponsable and leave their kids alone have some of the biggest blame in the world, which is what should be blamed, instead of fictional things, same with parents that didn't treat their kids if out of the womb they had some sort of disorder and they never cared about it

I can, because morality does not exist on a fictional world Morality only exists on society, morality does not exist without a society to move along with it, because the concept of "morality" itself depends on the harm principle and the damage we do or dont do upon OTHERS, not upon things, because things can't receive damage A fictional world it's not composed of a "society", but of fictional characters, if i go and stab a fictional character because im bored on a game, nothing of it correlates to what i'd do in the real world to an actual person You could say "okay, but you still cause undirect damage by "normalizing it"" and no, again, same answer i gave before, if a person is capable of going, and unironically switching their entire moral compass because of a fictional thing they were consuming, that was a person with a severe disorder that, one way or another, would use anything to feed into that disorder, could be an IED, antisocial, severe psychosis, psychopathy, and long etc morality is moved by the things you've been teached as a kid, core memories that then you move throughout your adulthood, and sometimes, critical hits that the society you surround yourself with gives you

I think you dont understand when i said that both are perfectly fine At the same time, your "portraying something as bad" it's goofy, i can create a fictional world where evil is seen as good and violence it's the answer to anything, a normal person reading that is gonna know that THAT is evil and is gonna enjoy it for it, and their brain is gonna keep up with the same exact morality they had on the real world You're missing the point on where people are intelligent enough to realize that even if something wrong is portrayed as "good" (and good is VERY ambiguous and depends of what you mean, something made for entertaining might not be portraying something as good), they still will know that it's bad irl if they don't, then their family, and the people that needed to teach them basic morality failed, because that person already had a disorder in the first place, not understand the most basic morality on itself IS a disorder, like antisocial or psychopathy

Because it's evil, interesting, curious, taboo, prohibited, long, long etc, there's no "one answer" for anything A person can be interested on the scenario, can be interested on the dynamic, can be interested on what happens when you blow up a zombie's brain into pieces Have you ever asked yourself why if a person goes ahead and creates a ballistic dummy made of fake blood, brains and organs, that has the same anatomy than an irl person, and shoots them, they're gonna laugh and have a blast, but instead if they did it to a real person they'd end up traumatized for life? Because you guide yourself on harm, you can be interested on certain things, dynamics, scenarios, contexts, and you want to explore them on fiction, that doesn't mean that you either like, or would ever like the unironical 1:1 version of that thing in the real world under any reasoning or motive That goes specially for anything that involucrates breaking the moral barrier of the human being, if someone is capable of breaking it, that did not happen because of fiction, but because of primary socialization circles like family or teachers failing to actually teach that kid basic morals and basic human behavior

@_Halfonsez_ @aleevizcay @sleepy_gold @r0tt3n___g1rl For entertainment* which could also include for trauma coping, investigation of concepts or stories, long etc

Then that's you, one of the most played games on steam is a torture simulator, hundreds of millions play shooter games and watch slasher movies lmao And you literally gave yourself the answer, you know it's terrible, then why a fictional story where you consume it for entertaining would be bad? You have a fictive pass, your brain is complex enough on multiple areas for you to consume something prohibited and wrong and understand it's fine in a fictional world, you know it's terrible IRL because you hurt someone, on a fictional world you don't hurt anyone