@objectskies Could be. In the comments under this post i sent another user their PCA position. Denmark_BA is closer to Britain_EBA than to confirmed certified Germanic speakers
Supplementary Tables, Gretzinger 2024, Steppe numbers of a few ancient groups. Franks are the uppermost. There is direct continuity from the Middle Bronze Age Lech population to later Celts, but Austria LaTene has 2% more Steppe than Lech MBA.
For comparison: The two averages of the Únětice culture get 55% Steppe on the same Table. Weak G25 models sometimes give the Únětice culture 65% Steppe, which is of course ridiculous.
@StaringAzana Yes, it was Antislavic but the NS literally categorized some Germans as Slavs and the guy who literally burned Hitler's corpse was a Slav
BRAVEHEART, which remains Gibson's best film, is really a tale of "Normans vs. Anglo-Saxons", but this was adjusted to "Scotsmen versus Englishmen" for the benefit of the historically drowsy modern spectator. The original structure, however, peeps through the disguise: the king's French wife & her relationship with "William Wallace"; the nobleman's right of jus primæ noctis (itself a French custom imposed on the Anglo-Saxons, not an English custom imposed on the Scots); & innumerable other details cleverly inserted to inform the educated viewer that the obvious "historical inaccuracies" in the film are a deliberate alteration designed for contemporary convenience.
@keltyse Can you put all the Häven ones on this same PCA just for fun? They are 3rd century AD and therefore not Jastorf but they have the perfect location for Jastorf (at least for North Jastorf)
@keltyse Are those the "East Scandinavians"? With "matches" i was talking about being close to Häven on the "professional" PCA, which shows that Häven spoke it and had a bit admixture from it
@keltyse I would never use Sweden_BA for models for Continentals anyways, but the PCA is not from me, i just have it from the Celtic elites paper. Idk if low coverage changes PCA position since it matches with the Germanic language paper's main claim
@keltyse No, Jastorf by definition cremated. Low coverage or not, Häven plots right next to Sweden_BA which is exactly what McColl said about the Language spread "a Swedish group" and all that
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@keltyse No, it's not. Look at Denmark_BA and then look at Scandinavia_IA and Häven. Scandinavia_IA and Häven are clearly Germanic, because they are right next to Sweden_BA, but Denmark_BA does not have this WHG input yet. Who named your samples Jastorf? They are not.
@ryan_sikola I see three options: A Swedish migration lowered the Danish Steppe, a Jastorf migration lowered it, or it lowered because of local resurgence. The difference isnt insane, so it could just be a local thing. A Swedish migration is Fact tho, but what we see on the Tables is younger
@ryan_sikola Jastorf is not Celtic. I would not call all groups that are not Unetice tier Steppe levels automatically "Celtic" because very old samples from Sweden are also not on these high levels
@Supahdenning Proto? Jastorf. But Pre-Proto from Sweden. There is this big study. These Swedish ones were also lower Steppe tbh @wacistwigga has models about them
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