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So many people that are skeptical that AOC will grow the movement will ironically admit they were led down the road that brought them to DSA because of Bernie 2016/2020 Think for a second.
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@wrappingline Bernie sanders is a socialist because people socially relate to him, his actions advance struggle and he entrenches the idea of socialism in mass culture He functions as a socialist. IDC if he might technically be some flavor of liberal inside our heads
@wrappingline This is just idealism. Who cares if dsa members have the correct categorization for Bernie sanders. Nobody but our subculture cares
@wrappingline Say we make these demands as conditions for endorsement. She says nah and leaves. Welp she will continue to occupy the democratic socialist lane in 28 and continue to coalesce a larger base with more of it being made up of liberal progressives We must intervene
@wrappingline Dsa using her campaign to build that base is what will create the conditions for making our demands meaningful
@wrappingline She has a mass base and she represents the bleeding edge of socialism in mass culture. She is running and has a mass base. We just have to decide how we deal with that. Abstention leads to nothing
@wrappingline You don't get to decide that, the people do The masses socially relate to AOC as a democratic socialist and member of dsa
@wrappingline I laid out quite specifically why. We must create the conditions that make it possible. We can't do that if we abstain from her campaign and waste our time
@wrappingline Also if we elected a cadre in 28(not actually a real thing that could ever happen) they will in fact do things we don't like and we have no way to control them because at that point their base would be beyond us
@wrappingline There will be no cadre candidate in 2028. This is a sectarian fantasy. We are a marginal political force. You cannot cook up a mass base in a lab right before campaign season. We cannot simply conjure up the perfect candidate. That is for 2032 or 2036 when we actually have a base
@wrappingline Why do you think she won't pardon people that the trump admin persecuted. It's just doomerism for the sake of it. It's just conjecture while my proposal is based on creating a situation where she is most likely to do it
@wrappingline Abstention from her campaign all but guarantees that they never happen
@wrappingline Why are you being obtuse. The goal is to do something that will actually make these things happen as opposed to wishing they happen, remaining marginal and being mad that the world won't listen to us like every other sect on earth
@wrappingline Yea she won't do it unless we put her in a position where her base wants it. We need to be how her base interfaces with her on the ground in key strategic areas
@wrappingline Donald Trump pardoned 1800 rioters, pedophiles and criminals
@wrappingline Dsa needs to be the organization between her and the doors. Dsa and it's demands should be centered while campaigning for her in key swing states such as wi, mi, pa, ga etc
@wrappingline It's not symbolic. We need to be external facing and building our own mass base. We should maintain political independence and moral leadership. They are points of agitation for the public that we can popularize and through our work on the ground she will listen
@wrappingline We can be the medium between her and the people especially in swing states. This gives us immense leverage over her campaign and what people hear about it. We can interface and maintain our political independence through public moral leadership
@wrappingline No. 1. She would not listen and leave us behind. She represents a mass base, we do not 2. It would lead to abstention which means we miss this historic moment and remain marginal for longer for no good reason
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