@RustyFulp@chiefkylefrank@FrankLets78822 To forcefully draw doesn’t mean forcefully save. Drawing can be forceful and not force to save or override the will.
John 1:14 those who are born again, have the opportunity to do it because of the will of God. The crucifixion was a forceful event that enables salvation
@RustyFulp@chiefkylefrank@FrankLets78822 You’ve yet to make an argument contrary to what I said.
If it means all AND very often both Jews and gentiles that covers everyone.
“draw” having a connotation of forceful is also fitting as God pursues.
@wholemars@MKBHD The problem is your understanding of what he ACTUALLY said.
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Eph. 2:1 Man is spiritually dead like Lazurus was physically dead, unable to act first. Jesus called to Lazurus to come out, but it was up to Lazurus to respond and come out into the light. Likewise Jesus had to act first and call all the spiritual dead into the light by drawing all people to himself on the cross (John 12:32)
Eph 1:4-5 Again, He must act first. We're often given a picture of Christ and the Church of a Bride and Bridegroom, yes the Groom chooses, but the bride needs also say yes.
John 6:44 Yes, and in John 12:32 we learn Jesus draws all when He was lifted up on the cross and we know from Romans 1 all are without excuse.
Rom 9:18 Yes, but this is an argument from Paul about why the gentiles, who were are God's chosen, Israel, should be included. Paul concludes in v33 that what was being done is laying a stumbling block, a rock of offense. God showing mercy on more than just those you want to be elect is a stubling block. It was for the Jews, it is for Calvanist who take offense that any rando could just use their free will to agree with the Holy Spirit that Jesus is Lord and be saved.
Rom 8:29-30 Yep, He makes extra preparations for those He knows will exersize their free-will to accept Him in advance, to such an extent it leads some to wrongly conclude that "they had no other choice" or said another way His grace was irresistible.
@michaer27@ShrekPolitical@LarsTheBadMan@NotEvolution1 What I do with my time is my business. I don’t report to you. You started this conversation off as if you actually wanted to have a conversation about these things, you’re proving what you want is to “win”
“you didn’t respond fast enough so I win” isn’t a win, it’s you
What I do with my time is my business. I don’t report to you. You started this conversation off as if you actually wanted to have a conversation about these things, you’re proving what you want is to “win”
“you didn’t respond fast enough so I win” isn’t a win, it’s you revealing your real substance.
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